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An ounce of decency - CARM.ORG - Christian Discussion Forums
Quote: : You're telling me, that if your daughter had called you into the hospital room before the C-section to save your granddaughter's life, and told you she was goint to abort the "fetus", you would have been okay with that - telling her "Hey, it's cool with me - it's your body honey, do whatever you want", just as if she was contemplating cutting off a hang nail?
No, I would not have been "OK" with that..
Quote: : The truth is that the woman that aborts a baby doesn't love that baby.
My daughter-in-law had HELPP syndrome.
The treatment for HELPP syndrome -- treatment to save the life of the woman -- is to terminate the pregnancy.
In her case, our granddaughter survived her pre-mature birth.
A generation earlier, in the same hospital, the son of President and Mrs.
Kennedy did not survive at a similar gestational age.
Your remarks toward me, and toward my daughter-in-law, are rude, ignorant, and, above all, hurtful.
If you had an ounce of decency -- to say nothing of Christian charity -- you could not apologize quickly enough.
walt
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Quote: : No, I would not have been "OK" with that..
My daughter-in-law had HELPP syndrome.
The treatment for HELPP syndrome -- treatment to save the life of the woman -- is to terminate the pregnancy.
In her case, our granddaughter survived her pre-mature birth.
A generation earlier, in the same hospital, the son of President and Mrs.
Kennedy did not survive at a similar gestational age.
Your remarks toward me, and toward my daughter-in-law, are rude, ignorant, and, above all, hurtful.
If you had an ounce of decency -- to say nothing of Christian charity -- you could not apologize quickly enough.
walt With respect -- you have referred to this event several times -- the question is an important one, and neither rude, ignorant.
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Quote: : With respect -- you have referred to this event several times -- the question is an important one, and neither rude, ignorant.
It was rude, ignorant, and hurtful to suggest that I could ever dream of saying, for any pregnant woman, under any circumstances, ""Hey, it's cool with me - it's your body honey, do whatever you want", just as if she was contemplating cutting off a hang nail?'
Whether you, or anyone else, is willing to admit it, I am "pro-life," and "anti-abortion," and I've had to live (and pray) through "crisis pregnancies" in my own family --neither of which were aborted.
Both pregnancies, by the way, were to couples wed in the eyes of both Church and State;
"If you don't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex" is completly inappropriate.
In the case of my wife's pregnancy, we were trying to have a baby.
Yes, my politics differs from many of those in this Forum;
But I've had it up to here with being called "pro-death" and "pro-abortion" when I have dealt with personal "crisis pregnancies" without trying to avoid the birth of a live baby.
walt
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Quote: : It was rude, ignorant, and hurtful to suggest that I could ever dream of saying, for any pregnant woman, under any circumstances, ""Hey, it's cool with me - it's your body honey, do whatever you want", just as if she was contemplating cutting off a hang nail?'
Whether you, or anyone else, is willing to admit it, I am "pro-life," and "anti-abortion," and I've had to live (and pray) through "crisis pregnancies" in my own family --neither of which were aborted.
Both pregnancies, by the way, were to couples wed in the eyes of both Church and State;
"If you don't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex" is completly inappropriate.
In the case of my wife's pregnancy, we were trying to have a baby.
Yes, my politics differs from many of those in this Forum;
But I've had it up to here with being called "pro-death" and "pro-abortion" when I have dealt with personal "crisis pregnancies" without trying to avoid the birth of a live baby.
walt Again: You invited comments by repeatedly using it to challenge posters opinions the original lack of discretion was yours.
And as crude as the paraphrase may sound to you that is the sum substance of the position of abortion on demand advocates
With respect -- you have referred to this event several times -- the question is an important one, and neither rude, ignorant.
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Quote: : And as crude as the paraphrase may sound to you that is the sum substance of the position of abortion on demand advocates I am not an "abortion on demand" advocate;
My whole life proves it.
walt'
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Quote: : I am not an "abortion on demand" advocate;
My whole life proves it.
walt' That does not quite address what I said -- however this remark conflicts with the teaching of the church you attend.
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Quote: : That does not quite address what I said -- however this remark conflicts with the teaching of the church you attend.
How?
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Quote: : How? I am sorry you apparently didn't read the tread on the Episcopal church teaching.
It's spelled out there.
Here -- let me repeat swordsman's point: The point is that one does not support what is wrong.
Abortion is wrong and that statement supported it.
One OPPOSES abortion, and doesn't grease the wheels to make it easier.
When one does that, he is supporting abortion, supporting the means that make it possible.
Why did the Episcopal Church make such a statement?
It was far more interested in not offending women than it was in offending God.
There were rulers in Israel who believed in Jesus but they would not confess Him because they loved the approval of men more than the approval of God (John 12:42,43).
That's what is going on here.
Swordsman
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Quote: : ]I am sorry you apparently didn't read the tread on the Episcopal church teaching.
It's spelled out there.
Yes, I did read the thread.
No where has The Episcopal Church said that I, as a communicant of The Episcopal Church cannot affirm all induced abortions to be sinful.
And The Episcopal Church has never required -- it has never even suggested -- that I ought to have counselled my daughter-in-law by saying """Hey, it's cool with me - it's your body honey, do whatever you want", just as if she was contemplating cutting off a hang nail?'"
Your remarks continue to be rude, ignorant, and hurtful.
walt
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Quote: : Yes, I did read the thread.
No where has The Episcopal Church said that I, as a communicant of The Episcopal Church cannot affirm all induced abortions to be sinful.
And The Episcopal Church has never required -- it has never even suggested -- that I ought to have counselled my daughter-in-law by saying """Hey, it's cool with me - it's your body honey, do whatever you want", just as if she was contemplating cutting off a hang nail?'"
Your remarks continue to be rude, ignorant, and hurtful.
walt
It grease the wheels to abortion;
It does stand against it.
Again -- the paraphrase was pointed -- but precise -- for the relativism that overwhelms this culture and the Episcopal church, and is the sum and substance of the abortion on demand position.
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Quote: : Again -- the paraphrase was ...
... completely false.
walt
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Quote: : ... completely false.
walt The paraphrase well express the thinking that under girds the abortion on demand philosophy -- The relativism of such a powerful string of words is rampant through out denominations that have unmoored themselves from Scripture -- see your bishop's description of herself as among other things as a Muslim
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Quote: : -- see your bishop's description of herself as among other things as a Muslim My current bishop is a grandfather.
His predecessor had a beard.
Neither would describe themselves as "herself."
walt
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Quote: : My current bishop is a grandfather.
His predecessor had a beard.
Neither would describe themselves as "herself."
walt
I was right and wrong: the presiding bishop of the Episcopal church is a woman, the Most Rev.
Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori who has generated controversy when she voted to confirm openly homosexual Gene Robinson as a bishop and for allowing blessings of same-sex unions in her diocese of Nevada.
Certain statements by Jefferts Schori have been the focus of controversy, especially regarding the central Christian teachings on salvation through Jesus alone (Wikipedia) It is an Episcopal priest who is Muslim: On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.
Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev.
Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.
She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.
Redding, who until recently was director of faith formation at St.
Mark's Episcopal Cathedral, has been a priest for more than 20 years.
Now she's ready to tell people that, for the last 15 months, she's also been a Muslim drawn to the faith after an introduction to Islamic prayers left her profoundly moved.
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Quote: : I was right and wrong: The Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church does not exercise ordinary jurisdiction, and thus is not "my bishop";
"my bishop" is the Bishop of Easton.
Your were wrong and wrong.
walt
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Quote: : The Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church does not exercise ordinary jurisdiction, and thus is not "my bishop";
"my bishop" is the Bishop of Easton.
Your were wrong and wrong.
walt The presiding bishop of your denomination apparently doesn't Christ is the only way to God.
What does your local bishop in Easton think about think about that?
Addendum: The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America is the presiding authority in the church.
Elected to serve a single nine-year term at the church's General Convention, he or she acts as Primate of the national Church and its nine ecclesiastical provinces, and as president of the House of Bishops.
The Presiding Bishop is charged with responsibility for leadership in initiating, developing, and articulating policy and strategy, overseeing the administration of the national church staff, and speaking for the Church on issues of concern and interest.
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Quote: : Or are you telling me she has no authority over the dioceses.
She is not a "Pope," and she has no authority over dioceses.
walt
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Quote: : She is not a "Pope," and she has no authority over dioceses.
walt I did not say she was the pope, did I?
The presiding bishop of your denomination apparently doesn't Christ is the only way to God.
What does your local bishop in Easton think about think about that?
Addendum:
The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America is the presiding authority in the church.
Elected to serve a single nine-year term at the church's General Convention, he or she acts as Primate of the national Church and its nine ecclesiastical provinces, and as president of the House of Bishops.
The Presiding Bishop is charged with responsibility for leadership in initiating, developing, and articulating policy and strategy, overseeing the administration of the national church staff, and speaking for the Church on issues of concern and interest.
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Quote: : ]I did not say she was the pope, did I?
She is not "my bishop";
She has no authority over my diocese, my parish, or me.
walt
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Quote: : She is not "my bishop";
She has no authority over my diocese, my parish, or me.
walt If you are a member of an Episcopal church, who told you that the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America is not the presiding authority in the church?
Elected to serve a single nine-year term at the church's General Convention, he or she acts as Primate of the national Church and its nine ecclesiastical provinces, and as president of the House of Bishops.
The House of Bishops has no influence in your diocese?
The bishop in Easton says, the Presiding Bishop is not charged with responsibility for leadership in initiating, developing, and articulating policy and strategy, overseeing the administration of the national church staff, or speaking for the Church on issues of concern and interest?
Again: The presiding bishop of your denomination apparently doesn't Christ is the only way to God.
What does your local bishop in Easton think about think about that?
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