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Soviet-Empire.com • View topic - Sexuality (and "sexual liberation") in USSR
I would like to know from those who have lived in USSR and know from first hand, what was happening with sex.
(or even from people who know even though they were not USSR citizens)
I mean was sex free or there were some sort of "conservative" mentality about it?
What about women?
Were they free to have sex with any one they liked or they got sort of 'stigmatized' ?
(you know what ah mean)
Was any kind of sexual "conservatism" within family (ya know the father restricting his daughter and shit)?
Of course I am reffering to all era's from Stalin up to 80's.
What was the party's opinion about sexual life, behaviour and sexual education?
In schools, TV, propaganda etc....
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Even if I am not citizen of Ex Soviet Union, I have heard that condoms were called something like rubber product number 2, that might give away their mentality about sex.
I read this fact in newspaper, it was said by a finnish man who collects Soviet memorabilia and might have largest collection in world, said the paper.
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You might be interested in this reading wrote by Makarenko.
I like the Quote: of him saying that sex life of human being should essentially differenciated from the one in the animal life.
lecture seven: sex education -->
Http://www.marxists.org/reference/archi ...
Lec07.html
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Quote: : What was the party's opinion about sexual life, behaviour and sexual education?
In schools, TV, propaganda etc....
I may be wrong since I wasn't a USSR citisen but I've travelled there sure enough and this is what I thought of on the subject...
Sure, in a practical sense, women I feel in the USSR were more "free" and "equal" than in the West.
As in, in school picnic trips for example, I could males + females sharing the same tent.
You wouldn't be seeing this in the West.
But this entire notion of "female emancipation" wasn't commercialised as it's done in many countries.
As in u didn't see any "man hating" and those fem nazis.
At least I didn't see any.
To put it in short, my older bro had female friends from there who were cultural/ foreign ex.
Students. They were pretty damned free.
They were camping, cross country biking, smoking, drinking, partying etc.
Together as it got but it was more of a "buddy" like thing rather than a "bf-gf" thing.
I'd say that in terms of sexual "freedom" the Soviet gal was more or less free as Western gals- but in many Central Asian Republics, ppls tended to be more conservative.
But still, nobody made it such a big deal.
'Sorry my desc is very vague and I'm not even sure if it's accurate- just describing what I observed as an outsider looking in.
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I'm only speaking about the Stalin era, but people pretended like sexuality didn't exsist.
People just didn't talk about it (as in teach).
The main example I'm thinking of is the Soviet soldiers moving across Eastern Europe in WWII have sex with lots of women and causing lots of STDs.
I think afterwards Soviet leaders saw the problem.
I don't know what they did about it though.
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Quote: : Soviet soldiers moving across Eastern Europe in WWII have sex with lots of women and causing lots of STDs.
I think afterwards Soviet leaders saw the problem.
I don't know what they did about it though.
As common in civilizations throughout history, nobody liked to stir the pot, if there were issues, it wasn't likely to be talked about.
Sexual repression is typically a religeous repression moreso than political.
And as Religion in the USSR was not spoken of, one cannot deny the exsistance of the Russian Orthodox church...
The following is a Quote: from
http://www.soviethistory.org/index.php?action=L2&SubjectID=1943patriarch&Year=1943
Quote: : The enmity between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Soviet state came to an official end in September 1943 with the election of Patriarchal Locum Tenens Metropolitan Sergii Stragorodskii, de facto leader of the church for seventeen years, as Patriarch.
The election had been preceded by a momentous September 4 meeting in the Kremlin between Joseph Stalin and three leading Metropolitans: Sergei, Aleksei Simanskii of Leningrad and Nikolai Iarushevich of Kiev.
Stalin granted them the right to open a limited number of churches and religious schools, and to convene a national synod on September 8, which duly elected Sergei patriarch.
Upon his elevation, Sergei immediately declared Stalin the divinely anointed ruler, initiating an uneasy collaboration between church and state that survived the Soviet system.
Upon his death in 1945, he was succeeded by Aleksei.
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They may be more free a equal but USSR women are not like some of the women in Canada or US that have sex with every man they like.
Being free a equal is one thing and sex is other.And Because they are over work they did not have time to be Sexualy active!!
And you did not have freedom in USSR and same like religion was a no no.
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Quote: : And you did not have freedom in USSR and same like religion was a no no.
It does not negate the fact of religeous existance that makes an impact on certain people's moralities....
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Quote: : It does not negate the fact of religeous existance that makes an impact on certain people's moralities
They look at religeous stuff has it polluted people .And was best not to be religeous ..
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Quote: : They look at religeous stuff has it polluted people .And was best not to be religeous
This comment does not negate the exsistance of religeous prescence.
This comment does not apply to every soviet citizen either..
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Quote: : They look at religeous stuff has it polluted people .And was best not to be religeous ..
Quote: : And you did not have freedom in USSR and same like religion was a no no.
Are you saying that the Soviets scorned at religion and suppressed it?
Sorry man if I misread/ misunderstood u.
But if you were meaning that, I don't think you're right.
For one, Aeroflot was one of the first international airlines to serve halal meals.
The western airlines only adopted halal meals as an option in the 80s.
Also, many churches and mosques were maintained by the local government there.
Just go to any Central Asian Republic and you'll see that the mosques there have been maintained in near mint condition.
It was not uncommon for Soviet lingual experts to come down here and translate the vedic texts in the Russian language either.
I seriously don't know from where people got this idea that religion was suppressed in the USSR.
Maybe it was not encouraged but that doesn't mean it was deliberately suppressed.
They're different things.
Yes they did have a communist party rep.
Oversee the mosques / churches but that was done to prevent sensationalism in the name of religion from arising.
But still- the reps overseeing the mosques were always Muslim etc., etc.
I'd say the religious freedom enjoyed in the USSR is practically the same as what u enjoy in the US.
Except, in the USSR you wouldn't have groups such as the KKK, Land Rover Church etc preaching hate and intolerance in the name of religion.
Sorry guys, this is off topic but I just wanted to set the facts straight.
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Quote: : I seriously don't know from where people got this idea that religion was suppressed in the USSR
Not meaning to be pedantic as I totally agree with what you said, but there was a little thing we had called the cold war and mccarthyism.
There were plenty of lies told to us about the Soviet Union.
This was just one of them.
US propaganda....all communists were godless bastards.
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Chaz:
Don't mean to be veering offf topic, but since we touched on religious freedom and tolerance, I notice that inter ethnic / religious harmony in the USSR style system was far superior than what I've been seeing in the "free world." How was Chechnya under the USSR?
What happened to it after Russia became capitalist?
Same w/ Yugoslavia...
SOrry for veering a bit off topic but I just thought I'd give it some thought...
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I don't know how much it proliferated.
I have a few Russian orthodox friends but they have been here since the cold war.
I met a Russian Monk a few years ago but spoke to him through an interpreter.
He seemed quite excited about the current state of his church over there.
He was a vert interesting chartacter to say the least.
But As to compare to older days, I cannot say for sure.
The only difference that I can verify is after teh fall, THe Russian Church was able to Cannonize Tsar Nicholas as a Saint.
Something they were not allowed to do before.
Most of the people that told me it was better were (unfortunately) biased against the former USSR.
Any opinions I get were clearly not open minded.
Arif, one of the other misconceptions about the church in the soviet union that I failed to mention yesterday was the Roman Church--- One of the Eight remaining grounds for excommunication is being the leader of a Commmunist state.
This is why Fidel Castro was Excommuned.
Therefore the conception that The USSR was Athiestic and anti-christian.
I have a personal Philosophy.
You have 5 branches of philosophy.
Metaphysics, Epistomology, ethics, politics, esthetics.
exsistance, knowledge, actions, reaction (or applied actions) and art.
Exsistance, whether you are evolution or creation.
knowledgei.e.
No book burnings
actions-i.e.
Moral repression is wrong
Reaction i.e.
Forcing ideals at gunpoint.
art- freedom to express...
No censorship of art and music.
once you repress any of the five, you will begin to piss people off.
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Any Russian girl communist on this group?
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Quote: : Any Russian girl communist on this group?
feeling lonely there Ace?
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There was a Russian girl who lived in Russia and England on the forum a while back....
Like a few months ago.
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There are so few women on this site...I would venture to guess not a lot of them are from Russia...
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There are more than a few russian women on Taking it global u could ask.
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Quote: : I seriously don't know from where people got this idea that religion was suppressed in the USSR.
Maybe it was not encouraged but that doesn't mean it was deliberately suppressed.
They're different things.
Yes they did have a communist party rep.
Oversee the mosques / churches but that was done to prevent sensationalism in the name of religion from arising.
But still- the reps overseeing the mosques were always Muslim etc., etc.
Uh, not exactly.
Some things that many people would object to happened.
Quote: : 65.
The following persons enjoy neither the right to vote nor the right to be voted for, even though they belong to one of the categories enumerated above, namely:
(a) Persons who employ hired labour in order to obtain form it an increase in profits;
(b) Persons who have an income without doing any work, such as interest from capital, receipts from property, etc.;
(c) Private merchants, trade and commercial brokers;
(d) Monks and clergy of all denominations;
(e) Employees and agents of the former police, the gendarme corps, and the Okhrana (Czar's secret service), also members of the former reigning dynasty;
(f) Persons who have in legal form been declared demented or mentally deficient, and also persons under guardianship;
(g) Persons who have been deprived by a soviet of their rights of citizenship because of selfish or dishonorable offenses, for the period fixed by the sentence.
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