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I'm Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? - WeightLossBanter

I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility.

Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out.

I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods?

Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder.

I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Mark

Hello Mark. You might get mistaken for a troll by some others, but your questions are not too emotionally loaded and diplomatically (mostly) phrased so I'm going to treat you like a real person who is asking an honest question or three.

Unfortunately you've chosen a subject that will push a LOT of buttons here, so expect some smartass replies.

Some are just assholes, but most are just a little oversensitve. burbled across the ether: I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility. Seems so.

But it's still doable, especially if you allow yourself dairy and seafood.

If you don't, you can still get protien from soy, quarn, tofu, etc.

Therea are a couple of vegitarian lowcarb pages in the FAQ. Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out. Read the Atkins website for the basic information on what the diet entails.

Please read PAST the induction phase to get the whole picture. I also suggest checking out several of the other lowcarb plans. I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods? No. Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder. He promoted real food.

Fresh food. Meats, dairy, VEGETABLES and FRUIT, and most importantly (the media always focuses on the the protien instead) quality fats.

The only thing he had a bias against was high starch and sugars and overly processed foods. I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. Perhaps he didn't have any.

In any case I'm sure the PCRM (Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine --please read up about these scum he http://www.activistcash.com/ ) would have found any "dirt" or anything that could be twisted into "dirt" and published it by now. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet. Argument from authority.

Just because they are doctors doesn't make every word they utter holy writ.

Most doctors have less nutrtional education than your average 13 year old.

Most have been brainwashed by the lowfat meme anyway.

And it is a meme.

There is no real science proving that lowfat does anything like the claims made for it.

Even after 30 years of trying.

If you care to read the actual publication of data on lowfat as compared to the SUMMARY (which is what usually gets Quote: d in the media) you'll start seeing a major discrepancy between what the data says and what the researchers 'conclude' from it. Please go here and read real medical studies done in real research institutions run by real scientists. http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, Weight loss is weight loss.

That is always a good thing. but it's only short term If you go back to eating the way that got you fat, you'll get fat again. This is true of any diet.

This is why Atkins (or any other lowcarb plan) is not a diet.

It is a permanent change in the way you approach food. and the side effects are dangerous. Pure lies.

No more dangerous than lowfat or lowcal, and in my opinion far less dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Read the literature.

Don't rely on the media, nor especially nutritionists or dieticians, damn few of which have actually read any of the lowcarb plans or use the brains they were born with. Two good books on the subject are Laura Richard's "The Secret to Low Carb Success" http://www.lowcarbsuccess.net/ which gives an overview of the various plans, and Lyle McDonald's "The Ketogenic Diet" http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/bio.htm which delves into the science behind lowcarb-- and I do mean delve.

Then there is also the asdlc FAQ http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm . Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Good for you.

So do we ASDLCers. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Dad, not in a screaming panic....

Like his passengers.

You don't. Just try eating less and exercising more until you adopt a sensible way of eating. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. wrote in message ... I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility.

Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out.

I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods?

Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder.

I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Mark

Maybe this article will change your mind about vegetarian diets.

It was written by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, an arctic explorer. http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm And this one is good as well.

William Banting's Letter on Corpulence. http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/ Tom 210/186/180 wrote in message ... I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility.

Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out.

I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods?

Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder.

I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Mark

Tom burbled across the ether: wrote in message ... I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility.

Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out.

I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods?

Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder.

I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Mark Maybe this article will change your mind about vegetarian diets.

It was written by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, an arctic explorer. http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm And this one is good as well.

William Banting's Letter on Corpulence. http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/ Tom 210/186/180 Which makes the most sense as an argument if you take vegetarianism to mean 'eat lots of high starch foods like pasta and bread' instead of actually eating a lot of vegetables (a very good thing in my book), something I understand from my reading that a lot of so called vegetarians do instead (maybe we could insist that type call himself or herself a starchist).

Unfortunately OP doesn't say which kind of vegetarian he is, nor whether his vegetarianism is "pure", or modified to allow seafood or dairy.

Note that I have nothing against vegetarianism.

I do have a problem with militant vegetarianism though. Actually militant anything, come to think of it.

Mainly because of the militant part. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please People who like to listen to Frank Sinatra die of heart attack and cancer at far higher rates than people who like to listen to Britney Spears.

Therefore, there is a link between the music of Frank Sinatra and heart disease and cancer.

--Tony Lew

Wrote: I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? High protein, low carb.

Emphasize high-protien foods, reduce fruit consumption, emphasize salad greens, avoid bread and pasta.

No ice cream, no pies, no cookies, no cakes.

Cut the sugar from your diet.

Wrote in : I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet? My boyfriend is a "pescetarian" - he eats fish and seafood but is otherwise vegetarian.

That makes things much easier, because I can always make some sort of fish/seafood meals. When he's on his own, though, he doesn't cook much besides eggs (and he won't eat canned fish), so his protein comes mostly from eggs, dairy, nuts, and soy products (unfortunately, not tofu, but those highly processed fake meats - vegetarian sausage, burgers, etc.) I'll eat those once in a while, but I have serious doubts about how healthy they, so I don't eat them often. We never did "Atkins" specifically, and neither of us had enough weight to lose to ever restrict our carbs drastically - we usually tried to get at least 60g per day, so there was plenty of room there for us to include some beans, lentils, grains, etc. To do REALLY low carb would not be easy for a vegetarian, and even harder for a vegan.

The challenge, of course, is be getting enough protein without going over the carb "limit", since vegetable forms of protein are going to have more carbs than animal forms.

Additional calories could always be provided by vegetable fats. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Like most diets, you can choose to eat wisely or poorly.

And like most diets, if you "go off it" and go back to your previous eating habits, the weight won't stay off.

Some people do "low carb" by eating bacon cheeseburgers without the bun, eating highly processed "low carb" versions of otherwise high-carb foods, etc.

Others do it by eating vegetables, fruits, healthy fats, lean meats, and other nutritious "real" food. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Bravo for you.

I would imagine that if you did want to lose weight, you'd probably only need to eliminate the snack foods. I know plenty of vegetarians who eat an incredibly poor diet - like a bag of chips and a Diet Coke for breakfast.

It seems to me that a vegetarian who is eating fresh, natural foods and avoiding sugars and processed foods, is not going to be too likely to have a weight problem.

Even if they're eating a lot of carbs, they would also be getting a lot of fiber. Of course, eating very high amounts of both carbs and fats can result in an awful lot of calories, which is why it's probably easier for a vegetarian to be on a low-fat diet rather than a low-carb diet. I don't think it matters what kind of a diet you're on (if any), or if you're vegetarian or not - eating highly processed foods is going to pack on a lot of calories compared to eating 'real' food.

That is just as true for low-fat diets as low-carb diets.

And ultimately, the studies I've seen is that over time, the most important factor in any weight loss diet is the amount of calories consumed.

Low-fat diets suit some people better, and low-carb diets suit others better.

It's important to make the lifestyle change that works for you, because it IS a lifestyle change.

I do FAR better and feel much healthier on low-carb - but that's very likely because when I was doing low-fat, I was attempting to "fill up" on breads and pastas.

Knowing what I know now, if I went back to a "low fat, high-carb" diet, I would probably be just as successful, since I would make different choices, and still avoid the bread and pasta - instead, I'd be eating whole grains, legumes, starchy vegetables, etc.

But that's one of the big advantages of a low-carb diet and why it has become so popular - it pretty much forces people to stop eating the foods that were causing the weight gain, controls the cravings caused by wild swings in their blood sugar, and keeps them more "satisified" with what they eat. For many people, this makes a permanent change in their way of eating easier, so they're more likely to stick with it. -- A.

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On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:42:26 -0600, "revek" wrote: Which makes the most sense as an argument if you take vegetarianism to mean 'eat lots of high starch foods like pasta and bread' instead of actually eating a lot of vegetables (a very good thing in my book), something I understand from my reading that a lot of so called vegetarians do instead (maybe we could insist that type call himself or herself a starchist).

Unfortunately OP doesn't say which kind of vegetarian he is, nor whether his vegetarianism is "pure", or modified to allow seafood or dairy.

Note that I have nothing against vegetarianism.

I do have a problem with militant vegetarianism though. Actually militant anything, come to think of it.

Mainly because of the militant part. To answer "what kind of vegetarian".

I am NOT a vegan.

I eat every food except animal flesh.

I eat eggs, dairy products (limited dairy due to lactose problems), veggies, pasta, breads, soy products, such as tofu, and I do eat sugars, crackers, drink soda, and eat and sweets too.

I just dont eat the animals themselves.

I do occasionally eat some tuna, but that is rare, and the only animal flesh I eat.

Eggs, nuts, and soy products are my main source of protein.

I eat veggies both cooked and raw, love my fruit pies, and whole grain breads. White bread sucks.

Meatless pizza is one of my favorites.

I also take vitamins and use a specially soy addative, which was originally intended to add weight to livestock.

In my case, it's not weight, but protein I want.

I do construction work, and work hard, so I need protein.

My most recent diet changes have been trying to cut down on processed snack foods.

I drink too much soda, and have been switching to orange juice, and have cut down on potato chips and crackers, and switched to more popcorn. One final comment.

I am partially vegetarian for health reasons, but mostly because I become sick just looking at a chunk of raw meat at the grocery store, much less having to cook and eat it. Mark

To answer "what kind of vegetarian".

I am NOT a vegan.

I eat every food except animal flesh.

I eat eggs, dairy products (limited dairy due to lactose problems), veggies, pasta, breads, soy products, such as tofu, and I do eat sugars, crackers, drink soda, and eat and sweets too.

I just dont eat the animals themselves.

I do occasionally eat some tuna, but that is rare, and the only animal flesh I eat.

Eggs, With this list of "allowed" foods, following atkins would be quite easy. Mirek

Wrote: I'm a Vegetarian - How do I do the Atkins Diet?

It seems an impossibility.

Actually, I am not intending to use the diet, and really dont need to lose weight, since I am about the ideal weight for my build and age.

I'm just trying to find this out. You could read the book or the website.

:-) Now, to what I suspect is the crux of your question: I also wonder if Robert Atkins was afilliated or being paid by the beef or meat industry to promote their foods?

Anyone that seems to promote one particular type of food makes me wonder.

I found a biography of him online, but nothing was mentioned about what his father did for a living, or if there were other brothers or sisters and what they did. I just tend to question his reasoning, especially since almost all other doctors disapprove of his diet.

They state that there is usually a short term weight loss, but it's only short term and the side effects are dangerous. I'm just inquiring and curious about this, since it appears to be the latest fad in dieting, and all I hear about lately is low carbs. Personally, I eat what I like, eat a variety of foods, and try to eat fresh foods.

I also eat my share of snack foods, but i work hard and retain a decent weight. Mark "Almost all other doctors" do not disapprove of this way of eating. The ones who do don't know what this way of eating is supposed to be: healthy fats, healthy complex carbs, healthy protein.

Pass a typical day's menus past any doctor and they'd say it is healthy.

Of course there are those who say they are doing Atkins but aren't.

If you want to know what Atkins is, and isn't, read the book.




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