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Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives :: View topic - The ass-kicking Martial Arts Thread!

So - the purpose of this thread is fairly simple.

Discuss all kinds of martial arts, share your experiences - be it positive or negative or just have some fun in the realm of martial arts. So - for starters - what is your martial arts history or what do you train now?

I myself have trained various arts over the years from Kyokushinkai karate, Praying Mantis kung-fu, some BJJ, some wrestling, a good amount of boxing (great for conditioning) but I think I have arrived at a style which is more of less complete and great (for me at least). It is called Daido Juku or Kudo.

Basicly a offshoot of Kyokunshinkai karate developed by Takahashi Azuma who also held dan grades in judo.

The style is basicly Kyokushinkai+judo with allowed head strikes, elbows to the head etc.

Great stuff in my opinion!

Here is video highlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5AvCcLwaJQ So this is what I train now and I must say - I am pretty amazed how well the system flows from full-contact karate stand-up to clinch to some judo grappling. So - what about you?

I train at Close Quarters Combat, and I am instructed by Glenn Zwiers: http://www.youtube.com/user/cqcchief http://www.cqctactics.com/ I took up CQC for the reason that I see it as the best form of MMA.

As an MMA that constantly evolves with the times to constantly deal with new threats, I feel safe training with it (and you get a mighty brutal workout).

I haven't used it in any combat scenarios as of yet, as I've been in tough situations but I try to talk my way out of it first before I use the utterly brutal moves taught in CQC (even as someone ungraded, I can kill a man in at least 3-4 different ways, possibly more as I can't think straight right now due to intoxication). This is modern scientific fighting which is exactly as the title says - combat at close quarters, ie.

Dealing with a threat who is directly threatening your person - and my classes are mixed with some modern street fighting. We learn attacks not just against classmates, studying the same thing - but how to deal with threats from unarmed, firearm, impact weapons and blades. One day I'd also like to take up Krav Maga, using the "same only different" reason, haha.

I always wanted to take Capoeira but to due lack of physical abilities and the lack of "dojos" here, it does not seem very impossible.

Krav Maga is just insane though .

Yeah I'm also trained on CQC thanks to the army.

I don't feel to tough, though, like I could kill anybody.

Anyone can kill anyone, it's just how professional you look doing it. I dunno, I shoot better than I fight.

Nonetheless, it is a good feeling knowing how to properly execute an armbar from the standing position.

When I was like 7, I started Tang Soo Do in an Air Force Base in Japan (where I was born).

We moved when I was about 10 to Alabama, so I started Tae Kwon Do there (ATF).

Got a black belt (which is worthless, as I didn't learn shit, goddammit).

Moved again when I was 13 here, to Virginia, where I started karate.

Then the sensei got arrested because he had some kind of sexual thing with one of his 17-year-old female students.

So I'm now going to another TKD place here, except this one's WTF and not ATF.

I tried to come in with my old black belt, but since the styles are different, they had me start as a red belt (one below black), learn everything up, then test for my black.

I got it now. :D 8th gup. I'm thinking of starting Judo (offered at the same do-jang;

Though it would technically be called a dojo then, since Judo is Japanese), maybe Hapkido.

Just don't have the time between four classes a week, working there, and school.

My instructors don't want me to take out a TKD class for a Judo class day, and there's no way I can make it five days a week and not start falling behind in school.

I don't want to boast about myself but this is true. When I was 11 I was already a black tipped belt taekwondo student.

I won a silver medal in a district open when I was 11 too.

I quited when I was 12. My old instructor is currently a bodybuilder though.

I'm a kendoka, ikkyu.

I hope to get my shodan at the grading examinations in June. A recent amusing anecdote: there was a small local tournament last Sunday.

I fought in both the women's category and in the team category.

I lost 2-0 to the woman I fought against, and by pure random chance I encountered her again in the team match...

But this time I was the one who won 2-0, so we're even. Quote: : (even as someone ungraded, I can kill a man in at least 3-4 different ways Well, one post in, and we already have the tough guys boasting their credentials.

That didn't take long...

I studied taekwandoe in my youth.

Fun and beautiful but in my experience incredibly unrealistic for self defense.

I have done just a small bit of wrestling and jiu jitsu.

I am interested in getting back into it (I was thinking thai boxing or krav maga.) There are a few things I need to quit smoking before that though.

Two years boxing and now done MMA for 3/4 of a year. Loving MMA, as grappling is a 100% new area but I'm not too fond of stand up combat with kicks.

It seems slower and far less satisfying than using the good ol' fists.

I recently started taekwondo (WTF) at the uni club via my flat mate and i'm really enjoying.

I've found what we've done very good for self defence as part of the syllabus is focused specifically on self defense and its even tested in the gradings, speaking of which my first one is tomorrow, its going to be intense.

TKD gets really sweet the more you advance but I've never encountered a situation where I might jump spinning axe kick somebody in real life.

Once in college (a few months), I will take up either MMA or Krav Maga, or both. Quote: : I'll bet I can help.

If I ban your IP from the Archives, your mother won't be able to come here to check on the lyrical themes employed by your favorite bands. Sound good?

I recently started Jeet Kune Do, which is more of a philosophy, rather than a style of fighting (as Bruce Lee put it.) The style of having no style, so to speak.

It has greatly enhanced my reflexes and my confidence and motivated me to start getting into shape.

I did judo as a kid and boy did it help with my reflexes and my footwork in football.

I wish I could pick it up again, but now I'm looking for something a bit more extreme.

I'm thinking of Brazilian Ju Jitsu.

Does anyone do it?

I'd like to learn a lot more about it.

Is there striking in pure BJJ competition, or is it more like judo where punches and kicks are forbidden and its only throws?

When I was real young I took kempo. Now I am currently studying Tai Jutsu and Iaido.

I can't say enough about these two systems, I love them.

Quote: : Once in college (a few months), I will take up either MMA or Krav Maga, or both. Can someone explain this to me?

How can you "take up" mixed martial arts?

I was under the impression that skilled mixed martial arts would take up a style (say, ju-jutsu or wrestling, for grappling), get better in it, then experiment with another style (say, kenpo, for striking), get better at it, and *that* is what makes him a mixed martial artist. Then again I don't really know much about that stuff.

But it seems to me that even the UFC champions are specialists in certain specific styles that they trained in, not that they started out doing a bit of everything.

With the advent of MMA in the mainstream with the UFC and other fight promotions, some gyms actually label themselves "MMA Schools" now.

They just teach a wide variety of disciplines, typically Boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, and Jiu Jitsu. The way you describe learning has a lot to do with MMA fighters coming from a specific background and discovering, "Hey, I could be good at MMA with my established base," since MMA wasn't a real pay-your-bills sport for the majority of fighters until the last half decade or so.

When they make the switch and actually train, they'll usually train in multiple areas at once and with different coaches, not just one style they didn't know before. Quote: : I did judo as a kid and boy did it help with my reflexes and my footwork in football.

I wish I could pick it up again, but now I'm looking for something a bit more extreme.

I'm thinking of Brazilian Ju Jitsu.

Does anyone do it?

I'd like to learn a lot more about it.

Is there striking in pure BJJ competition, or is it more like judo where punches and kicks are forbidden and its only throws? No strikes in pure BJJ competition.

Leg locks aren't allowed in some competitions either, or they only allow more experienced competitors to perform them (by what belt class you compete in) because of the potential to cause serious harm.

Quote: : I'm a kendoka, ikkyu.

I hope to get my shodan at the grading examinations in June. A recent amusing anecdote: there was a small local tournament last Sunday.

I fought in both the women's category and in the team category.

I lost 2-0 to the woman I fought against, and by pure random chance I encountered her again in the team match...

But this time I was the one who won 2-0, so we're even. Quote: : (even as someone ungraded, I can kill a man in at least 3-4 different ways Well, one post in, and we already have the tough guys boasting their credentials.

That didn't take long... Oh come on, I hardly ever get the ball rolling these days anyway, it's merely fact - I don't care for egos particuarly Could you explain yours in a little detail?

Explain what exactly?

Brown belt in ninjukai taijutsu.

It's more for fun then self defence;

I'm confident enough in a fight anyway, and Perth's hardly this high crime area (despite what today tonight will tell you, heh).

Also, it's definitely a martial arts that's more aimed towards small asians then big rugby player like people

I've been taking Chun Kuk Do for about 7 years now and I've come to the point where I've realized how worthless this is in a real fight.

I'm really getting fed up with it.

All the tournaments are point fighting crap where you jump at the guy, tap him on the head, and bam.

You've won the fight.

I think the only way martial arts are worth something in a fighting sense is if you practice an extremely lot and with full or close to full contact fighting, and in practical situations. So now I want to learn to box because I'm horrible with my hands.

I've done some Jiu Jitsu and I'm not to bad at that, but all in all, I don't feel very confident I'd do good in a fight.

4 years of Tae Kwon do, was going to go to Korea for a world tournament but ended up not being able to since i was moving that week...

Also 1 year of Pentjak Silat.

Half a year of Wing Chun, and planning on doing some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu over the summer.

Quote: : I've been taking Chun Kuk Do for about 7 years now and I've come to the point where I've realized how worthless this is in a real fight.

I'm really getting fed up with it.

All the tournaments are point fighting crap where you jump at the guy, tap him on the head, and bam.

You've won the fight.

I think the only way martial arts are worth something in a fighting sense is if you practice an extremely lot and with full or close to full contact fighting, and in practical situations. So now I want to learn to box because I'm horrible with my hands.

I've done some Jiu Jitsu and I'm not to bad at that, but all in all, I don't feel very confident I'd do good in a fight. That was a huge factor for me choosing the system that I did.

I wanted a martial art that relied on execution of technique vs your size and strength.

I mean not that I fight or even plan on fighting like some huge dude, but still you never know what can happen and I wanted something that would be helpful if I do get in fight.

I mean I do learn a lot of kicks and strikes but there are also a lot of binds, pressure points, nerve locks, and weapons techniques that I learn which I find more practical for me being a female and all....

I find a disturbing lack of Semper Fu in this thread. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Martial_Arts_Program I also agree with the above posters that Krav Maga is awesome.

Sadly there are no clubs near me that practice it or any variation of it or else I would seriously look into it.

Quote: : Quote: : I've been taking Chun Kuk Do for about 7 years now and I've come to the point where I've realized how worthless this is in a real fight.

I'm really getting fed up with it.

All the tournaments are point fighting crap where you jump at the guy, tap him on the head, and bam.

You've won the fight.

I think the only way martial arts are worth something in a fighting sense is if you practice an extremely lot and with full or close to full contact fighting, and in practical situations. So now I want to learn to box because I'm horrible with my hands.

I've done some Jiu Jitsu and I'm not to bad at that, but all in all, I don't feel very confident I'd do good in a fight. That was a huge factor for me choosing the system that I did.

I wanted a martial art that relied on execution of technique vs your size and strength.

I mean not that I fight or even plan on fighting like some huge dude, but still you never know what can happen and I wanted something that would be helpful if I do get in fight.

I mean I do learn a lot of kicks and strikes but there are also a lot of binds, pressure points, nerve locks, and weapons techniques that I learn which I find more practical for me being a female and all.... Yes I can see where you're coming from, but I meant more that you need to make sure what you're learning can be aplied to real situations. For example I learned to kick and punch in a point fighting scenario, but it's close to useless in a real fight for a number of reasons.

For example, you have people grabbing you, getting in close, doing takedowns, and hitting everywhere, not just "target areas".

It seems that in Taekwondo it is much too easy to get a black belt (people can get it in 3-5 years).

I do Kyokushinkai karate (5 years) and the fastest person that I know to get theirs took about 6 years.

This was with taking 5 classes a week as well as teaching beginner classes and training at home. I'm considering starting BJJ soon...

I practice Penchak Silat, which in my opinion is the most effective combat sport for real-life situations as well as for optimum physical condition and strength.

It is the combat training of the Indonesian commandos as well.

Check out France's Penchak Silat master, Franck Ropers, he is amazing!

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNRLk7xs2Mc It really blows Krav Maga or Full Contact out of the water.

I've never trained in anything but there's an MMA/BJJ gym in my city and a couple fighters there just made their MMA debuts (and won).

Some people associated with the gym are actually death metallers, ex-Viral Load.

Guess I need to check it out. My future kids are taking muay thai, BJJ and maybe wrestling classes when they're old enough. Wish my parents had put me in something other than baseball.

I'm not really trained well in Martial Arts at all yet but I took Taekwondo from 6-8 years old.

I think i almost got to black belt or at least I was pretty close to it from what I can remember.

It was fun. Don't really think I'll ever do it again though.

My brother takes Judo and Jujitsu now.

It's a lot more complicated than what I used to take.

Quote: : It seems that in Taekwondo it is much too easy to get a black belt (people can get it in 3-5 years). Relatively speaking, it's a joke of an actual martial art anyway.

You can't expect people to invest 10 years in a black belt that doesn't amount to much in the way of self defense, after all.

When I was a kid I took takewondo for two months but quit because it was boring and I hated how we always had to bow down to the korean flag. Recently i have taken a few boxing lessons and really enjoyed it.

In the summer I think i will take up a martial art although Im not sure which would be the best in terms of actual self defense in a streer fight.

Quote: : I've never trained in anything but there's an MMA/BJJ gym in my city and a couple fighters there just made their MMA debuts (and won).

Some people associated with the gym are actually death metallers, ex-Viral Load.

Guess I need to check it out. My future kids are taking muay thai, BJJ and maybe wrestling classes when they're old enough. Wish my parents had put me in something other than baseball. have your kids wrestle first.

"after wrestling, everything in life is easy".

And, statistically speaking i'm pretty sure that the majority of better MMA fighters started in wrestling.

The ability to fend off takedowns, apply takedowns of your own, (and if you're well versed in greco-roman) use throws in the clinch is absolutely invaluable.

Also, wrestling kicks people's asses and puts them in the best shape of their lives.

It teaches discipline, hard work, motivates you to improve yourself, among many other things. of course, many other martial arts do the same, but your kids can wrestle throughout their academic careers.

Quote: : Quote: : I've never trained in anything but there's an MMA/BJJ gym in my city and a couple fighters there just made their MMA debuts (and won).

Some people associated with the gym are actually death metallers, ex-Viral Load.

Guess I need to check it out. My future kids are taking muay thai, BJJ and maybe wrestling classes when they're old enough. Wish my parents had put me in something other than baseball. have your kids wrestle first.

"after wrestling, everything in life is easy".

And, statistically speaking i'm pretty sure that the majority of better MMA fighters started in wrestling.

The ability to fend off takedowns, apply takedowns of your own, (and if you're well versed in greco-roman) use throws in the clinch is absolutely invaluable.

Also, wrestling kicks people's asses and puts them in the best shape of their lives.

It teaches discipline, hard work, motivates you to improve yourself, among many other things. of course, many other martial arts do the same, but your kids can wrestle throughout their academic careers. It seems most go down the Muay Thai and/or (often and) BJJ path before starting MMA.

Assuming they don't go to a MMA club directly. Wrestling is a large part of MMA, I won't argue that, but it only gets you so far.

The problem with wrestlers is often that they get the opponent ot the ground and then they don't know what to do.

Quite a contrast to BJJ artists. You sound a bit biased about it to be honest, what sport doesn't push you to your limits? "it teaches discipline, hard work, motivates you to improve yourself, among many other things.

" Applies to most sports to be fair;

From soccer to MMA.

You won't get far anywhere if you aren't disciplined, work hard or you don't have the motivation to improve.

I did kung fu, taekwondo and shotokan.

Kung fu wasn't really fun for me, but that's maybe because we were trained in big groups of 60-70 people.

Taekwondo was not so impressive, in fact pretty boring.

Shotokan was by far the best and really demanding in terms of wisdom, technicality and patience, and the katas are pretty varied and fun. btw Krav Maga is real torture for first timers.

I do like the concept of quick calculated reactions and disabling an aggressor in few movements, but the lack of rules and spirituality makes it uninteresting IMO.

It is purely an art for defense, nothing more. Quote: : It seems that in Taekwondo it is much too easy to get a black belt (people can get it in 3-5 years). Even 2 years.

As i understand it taekwondo has become very much based around tournament/sport fighting depending on your affiliation, dojang and master.

I'm quite fortunate in that my instructor is a bit more focused on self defense and practical application of techniques outside of the dojang as well as the usual patterns and free sparring.

Quote: : It seems most go down the Muay Thai and/or (often and) BJJ path before starting MMA.

Assuming they don't go to a MMA club directly. Wrestling is a large part of MMA, I won't argue that, but it only gets you so far.

The problem with wrestlers is often that they get the opponent ot the ground and then they don't know what to do.

Quite a contrast to BJJ artists. You sound a bit biased about it to be honest, what sport doesn't push you to your limits? "it teaches discipline, hard work, motivates you to improve yourself, among many other things.

" Applies to most sports to be fair;

From soccer to MMA.

You won't get far anywhere if you aren't disciplined, work hard or you don't have the motivation to improve. Joe Rogan (who is a BJJ practitioner) has said repeatedly, wrestlers have the best skill set coming into MMA.

While i agree that wrestling isn't inherently useful when it comes to the ground game, i think it's important to note that Chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, George St.

Pierre, Sean Sherk, Ryan Bader, Dan Henderson, and to a lesser extent Fedor, have all had their roots in wrestling.

These are all fighters who have held (with the exception of ryan bader) a distinguished title in the sport of MMA in their respective weight classes.

Also, you will note that these fighters are all invariably renowned for their physical strength and punching power.

Wrestling's emphasis on strength and the effect of years of competition in that sport is evident in the abilities of these fighters. also, you caught me red-handed;

I am extremely biased, as i wrestle in high school right now.

But, i really don't think you can compare soccer to wrestling, or MMA for that matter.

Combative sports are far more demanding than any other out there...and that's not even counting making weight.

Wrestling is definitely important for an MMA fighter, no doubt about that.

GSP doesn't even have a background in wrestling and he's one of the best MMA wrestlers, how odd is that?

Quote: : i think it's important to note that Chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, George St.

Pierre, Sean Sherk, Ryan Bader, Dan Henderson, and to a lesser extent Fedor, have all had their roots in wrestling.

These are all fighters who have held (with the exception of ryan bader) a distinguished title in the sport of MMA in their respective weight classes. Ryan Bader?

How random that he gets included in that list with those names.




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