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Gravid or sick? - UltimateBettas
Posted 26 September 2009 - 12:33 PM
Hi there,
I came across a situation that maybe you can help me with.
The church I started going to has an indoor fish pond and Ive noticed one of the goldfish/koi is very big and gotten much bigger this last week.
Someone said it was pregnant but this one seams much bigger then I would think it would get, so Im a little concerned.
How big do they get if they are gravid?
I could only get cel ph photos but at least you can get an idea of how it looks.
I asked around and it seams the only person to care for the fish is a VERY elderly (80's 90's!) man who feeds them.
What I know about the pond is...
It indoors, no direct sunlight, apx 12'x7' across, apx 1' deep or less.
I saw numerous coins/pennies in it!
The water looks quite clear and the person I talked to said the pump had been fixed on it last week so it sounds like there is some kind of filtration.
No live plants or other type fish.There are maybe 20-30+ fish, ranging in size from apx 4-10 inches.
I thought they were gold fish but one person told me they were Koi.
It might be both?
Several of the other fish look big in the tummy....kinda like over feed?
But not bad. The fish seam to be swimming well except for the one Im concerned about.
It kinda wobbles more then swims.
Also I noticed some of the scales on the back of it are raised but I cant see how they wouldnt be with the size of the extended belly area.
Im hoping its just a gravid fish and not worse.
How many "babies" do this kind of fish have?
I wouldnt think this pond could support anymore fish.
Ive heard pennies in the water are bad can you tell me why and what they can do?
Im not sure how one could get them out with out wading in the pond.
Is that safe? Im planing on pursuing this more to see if they need help (I offered to get the coins out) so what ever info you can tell me I can pass it along.
Thanks!
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/DoveInSky08/fatfish.jpg
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 06:22 PM
Hmm.
The fish looks a bit abnormally bloated.
I've seen gravid females and that one looks larger than it ought to;
I can't imagine her simply being that eggy.
If you see scales protruding it probably has dropsy, which is fluid retention caused by organ failure.
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Posted 27 September 2009 - 12:00 PM
Im going to go talk to them this week and see if I can be of any help to get that indoor pond in better shape.
Are there any good websites that have accurate info on pond care for goldfish and Koi.
Im thinking care sheets, step by step instructions etc.
I found sites on line but most seam to be selling products or just very basic stuff.
I dont know enough about ponds to know if the info Im finding on line is good or not.
I dont know if ponds have the same concerns as tanks like checking the levels of ammonia etc, cleaning off rocks, adding new water etc.
Do ponds have there own little eco system or do they need help?
Thanks for any advice you can give!
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Posted 27 September 2009 - 02:05 PM
Well I'm pretty sure that that pond that is currently in place isn't even fit for one Koi so they already have a huge problem on their hands.
Goldfish in general have huge tank requirements because they are so messy and disgusting and poo all the time.
Here is a good start: http://www.ultimateb...?showtopic=4460 But I think that it is pretty messed up that a church thinks that it needs to have an indoor "pond" and torture poor fish.
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Posted 28 September 2009 - 12:29 PM
From the pics you have, there is definitely something wrong with it.
It might need to be euthanized.
Only fish in the pics are common goldfish.
Ponds do kind of have their own eco systems, but indoor ponds need help.
Need to check PH and Ammonia levels and a water change once or twice a month would help.
It doesn't look very deep.
Sounds like they have a filtration sytem, so that is good.
The pennies do deteriorate and the metal is probably what has kept disease down, but it is not good to be in copper all the time.
Goldfish are a lot more tolerant with inadequate conditions than most fish.
Gee Susurro, goldfish need love to.
I wouldn't say they are disgusting.
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Posted 28 September 2009 - 06:28 PM
But I think that it is pretty messed up that a church thinks that it needs to have an indoor "pond" and torture poor fish.
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As odd as this sounds....the church bought the building (with fish pond) from a counrty club.
I think the people there now just inherited it and think they are doing ok.
Just like with well meaning people who get bettas and keep them in tiny bowls, thinking its ok.
So this is what Im hoping to do is educate them, expecting when they learn better ways to care for the fish they will want to.
: ) Thats why I need help because I dont know how to take care of pond fish....but I know enough about fish to know the ponds condition isnt good.
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