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Your Philosophy And/or Religion? - 50Plus Discussion Forums
I know there are those who accept the beliefs from their parents and those who completely reject them.
What I am curious about, - how many studied, investigated their own religions,philosophies before making them their lifetime beliefs.
Also how many have browsed through the myriad outlooks before forming their own personal ones??
The gentle Christian outlook of grandparents & parents of my youth were mixed with celtic philosophy.
Grandma was Welsh and brought all kinds of softening beliefs with her.
The hours spent with her in the garden and on the house stoop discussing an outrageous philosophy, for a Christian, that was sort of pasted onto the church's view were marvelous.
I got to feel what a douser experienced looking for water, treated to philosophical coincidences that were deemed impossible but happened, a belief in a magical world that could be formed through thought.
Her garden was the marvel of the neighbourhood and as far as I could see, existed without a lot of effort on her part.
It seems the plants responded to her in a way that they wouldn't to any others around.
Add to this an off the wall sense of humour in grandma with a raucus one in grandad and my childhood was a wonderous world!!
My parents were staid in comparison.
I realized this was because they wished to set a more suitable example for a young family.
As I grew older, dad and mum, would tell me some amazing stories.
Of course, they could not trump the grandparents but I gained a great respect for what they tried to do for us.
So as a consequence of my upbringing, I will be forever bent on discovering as much as possible about that secret world grandma lived in.
Sometimes, I believe I have managed it, only to find, another path, route, or highway, I haven't as yet explored.
It is my wish for everyone, the fun of discovering a new and amazing "happenstance, event, experience, or love" that will change their life for the better, more that it occurs over and over again during a long life.
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Yes, Blue.
I find it a tad 'depressing' that there are those who cannot, or will not, think outside the box.
But hey, their call.
It does seem though, that many share some inate need to find "something" out there.
They might be bright enough to walk away from mainstream religions
but then get caught up in other airy-fairy nonsense.
Very little difference really.
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Nice to see you pop in now and again Oracle, I think
Now, I wonder who that airy-fairy nonsense remark was aimed at hmmm??
Never mind, it is always fun to cross (swords,pens) pc's with you!!
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Blue you got to have your feet in snow again.
My grandparent were Scots had the stories were something else.
Like the young madens going to the hills to wash their face in the early moring dew.
Gave them soft skin.
Faries are out there too.
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Well let's see now - 3 of my grandparents were raised in the Catholic religion, the 4th was a "heathen" who some in the family thought to be much too wild - that would be my maternal grandmother.
She was a free spirit and believed in living completely, trying anything new and interesting and cared not a whit what others said about her.
She and granddad divorced shortly after their 4th child was born.
He married a very sedate and quiet Methodist, she married a heathen and together they had quite a life, running a produce farm in Iowa in the summer and a beach side bar in Florida in the winter.
They traveled a lot and always seemed to have intresting stories to tell.
My parents had both become atheists by the time they were married.
The neighborhood where I and my sibs were raised was very culturally diverse.
My friends ran the gamit - catholics, protestants, evangelicals, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, white, black, hispanic, asian, etc etc.
We all got along quite well and simply accepted that some of us went to church, chapel, Synagog or whatever and others did not.
I attended services with many of them from time to time and wondered how each of them could be so positive that their religion was the "correct" one.
Obviously, they couldn't all be right.
At about age 14, I went through a period of being a "born again" evangelical and was quite caught up in it, but by the time I was 17, I began to see all the faults with that path and left the church in search of truth.
More than 35 years later, I discovered that my beliefs were very close to those of the Sufis and today, I identify most closely with them, as that is the path that seems to me to be most in accord with who I am now and how I think.
So I guess you could say I came to my current beliefs on my own, with a lot of exploration, meditation, thought, and input from a wide variety of friends and a great deal of traveling, reading and study.
I think that people should put aside the teachings of their childhood - just as they put away believing in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy.
At some point one needs to explore the world outside of their family and whatever religion they have been steeped in - outside of the box as Oracle puts it.
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Quote: [snapback]160874[/snapback] Blue you got to have your feet in snow again.
My grandparent were Scots had the stories were something else.
Like the young madens going to the hills to wash their face in the early moring dew.
Gave them soft skin.
Faries are out there too.
No way, awake - no feet in snow if I can avoid it!!
Loved the tales and the legacy but the snow remains north while I am south!!
I am silly enough to try to lay a curse on the weather if it defies me.
I would think twice though - Quebec needs the snow with mild days and below freezing temperature to produce the lovely Maple Syrup they are famous for.
As long as the white stuff is gone when I get home, all is well.
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Quote: [snapback]160856[/snapback] Yes, Blue.
I find it a tad 'depressing' that there are those who cannot, or will not, think outside the box.
But hey, their call.
It does seem though, that many share some inate need to find "something" out there.
They might be bright enough to walk away from mainstream religions
but then get caught up in other airy-fairy nonsense.
Very little difference really.
LOL lots of airy fairy nonsense out there huh
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Quote: [snapback]160889[/snapback] Not wrong.
What's not wrong?
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Thank you teagranny
LOVE
elk
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Quote: [snapback]160889[/snapback] Not wrong.
I know that!!
You got to admit it's great fun though even if one is a total non-believer.
Pru:-"At some point one needs to explore the world outside of their family and whatever religion they have been steeped in - outside of the box as Oracle puts it".
Quite true but surely, eliminating all "magical anticipation" is like believing nothing but stark reality exists and does not allow for any "out of the box thinking".
All of humanity's "imaginings" gone, lost to the mundane!!.
How can a species improve if it is proven the possibility cannot exist??
That we are conceived, born and die as a product of nothing other than heredity, genetics and hard-wiring.
That our species cannot implement any basic changes because will, or intent cannot possibly exist??
Mankind becomes a one off occurance, an accident of nature that probably will never be duplicated.
Without magical belief, imagination, is there any hope of a fundamental change in the madness that infects our species??
I refuse to give up all hope, so I continue to wish all humans encounter the "magical";
Develop the imagination that allows for the possibility of basic change.
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" LOL lots of airy fairy nonsense out there huh"
Quote: [snapback]160889[/snapback] Not wrong.
" What's not wrong?"
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Your losing your powers Oracle.
Read back!!
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Nope. Still don't get it.
She agreed there was lots of airy fairy nonsense out there.
I said (you're) "not wrong"
and she asked "what's not wrong?"
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Ooops you are right - Seems your powers are still intact Oh great Oracle!!
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So, it seems there are very few posters willing to risk laying their souls (so to speak) bare re their beliefs, and how they arrived, were indoctrinated or just followed along a previous path.
I must admit, my beliefs lean towards reincarnation, (too many familiar places not really visited in this life), that we are more than what is physically present (too many incidents foretold), future arranged to some degree by ourselves (knew in advance a few paths life would take).
Now many will pooh pooh but then they did not see the drawing a friend drew two years before I married - in fact, 6 months before I even met my future husband, she presented me with a picture depicting, a husband & three children - a boy walking beside a stroller occupied by twin girls.
Now the best part of the whole thing is, after paying the hospital bill (RH babies) and doubling up on clothes, furniture etc, no money left for a twin stroller.
Well, SIL delivered one donated from one of her friends who had had twin daughters three years before!!.
Along with this came exquisite clothes for twin girls.
I knew before I left a whiskey bottling plant 30 miles from home, I would be working in a hospital - (that is what I put in my notice when I quit, Seagrams) I was working in our local hospital 3 months later!!
I knew I would lose my son, and nearly did more than once before it actually happened.
My daughter knew she would die before she married (I have told that story here more than once) and she did!!
So, am I alone in these sort of experiences???
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I was born into the United Church and attended until a teen.
I was introduced to other religions by my grandfather's library.
I asked all the hard questions of our church and got no answers.
I took philosophy in University and got stuck in existentialism for far too long.
I spent years studying comparative religion on my own, then took courses in Hebrew and Greek to be able to explore deeper into the Bible, both Testaments.
I met one of those weird crazy fanatical theologians who introduced me to a concept of Christianity that answered all the hard questions the Church has dropped for current anti-theological 'feel good' approach to religion.
I have quit studying and now try to live up to my beliefs.
Now, the only time I gather with others in spiritual worship is in a sweat lodge in the Native American tradition where the pagans do not pretend to worship my God and everyone accepts a Christian who believes a 'deviant' Christian theology.
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Welcome ttruscott - I admit you are one up on me.
I have never experienced a native sweat lodge.
I have a feeling the concept of Christianity I have settled on is quite close to the one you have come to.
Actually though I don't consider it the deviant Christianity.
It is the Christianity practiced by the majority that is deviant in my opinion.
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